Comments on A United Method: Holding our church together

Hi Matt, Here are some of the words from the bibl...

2009-05-06T22:10:00.000-05:00

Hi Matt,

Here are some of the words from the bible that says homosexuality is not acceptable to God, i'm sure theres alot more.

You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. (NASB) Leviticus 18:22

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be

@Anonymous 1: Well, we both agree that the Church ...

2009-05-06T13:34:00.000-05:00

@Anonymous 1: Well, we both agree that the Church need to clean house when it comes to Christians getting divorced, committing adultery, etc. as I mentioned in my first post.(This will be my last.)

And yes, non-Christians can't be held to our God-given morals because they are still blind. However, what happens when a gay married couple converts and wants to join the church? What

Anonymous 7:48AM: Whether it's genetic, biologica...

2009-05-06T09:42:00.000-05:00

Anonymous 7:48AM:

Whether it's genetic, biological, spiritual, whatever, we know that homosexuality is inborn. It is not a product of environment or upbringing. It is not a product of religion or culture. It is present in every culture, every Church, every race, every gender, every society. More to the point, it has no inherent negative component.

Child rape, however, does

I have a sincere, honest question for those who in...

2009-05-06T07:48:00.000-05:00

I have a sincere, honest question for those who insist on equality for all regardless of "sexual orientation": What about pederasts and pedophiles? They insist theirs is a "natural" sexual orientation, a gift and that they are in loving relationships that they wanted as young men and/or boys. I am not fabricating this for the sake of argument. Check out the North American Man-Boy Love

@ut3rdgen I think we can all agree that inequality...

2009-05-06T07:35:00.000-05:00

@ut3rdgen
I think we can all agree that inequality is bad. Doesn't matter the reason behind the inequality.

We live in a secular society, yes. We are called to be salt and light, yes. But how is telling people they're sinful and don't deserve equal rights showing the love of Christ? Because this is a secular society, we should not be trying to use the legislative system to

@ A united method: The fact that you are condoning...

2009-05-06T00:34:00.000-05:00

@ A united method: The fact that you are condoning what is viewed as sinful behavior by the vast majority of the Christian world, and has been viewed as such for over 2000 years and longer if you include the Jewish tradition, is probably the reason why we can't just "move past it." Unity across the body of Christ means not trying to reinterpret what has already been decided by the early Church

I am reminded that we are not to judge. We are ca...

2009-05-05T14:21:00.000-05:00

I am reminded that we are not to judge. We are called to love one another. Let's leave the judgments to God.

I hope that as Christians we can all agree that all people, regardless of their race, gender, sexual orientation or disability, deserve equality (even when it doesn't jive with our views). The Kingdom of God is about things being turned upside down. The last will be first,

No, Joe, the Bible is not "clear that God hates re...

2009-05-05T12:06:00.000-05:00

No, Joe, the Bible is not "clear that God hates relationship w/ same sex". (See above)

The Bible says little to nothing about loving same-gender relationships, but the point is quite clear that God loves and honors loving relationships.

Thank ya'll for all the comments. Why is everyone...

2009-05-05T12:04:00.000-05:00

Thank ya'll for all the comments.

Why is everyone who is posting here commenting on the correctness or incorrectness of homosexuality? Is it so hard to move past that?

I would like to point out that "what is clearly written in the bible" is not as clear as you might want to believe. God is too complex (and certainly less static) to simplify all of the written, living,

The bible is clear that God hates relationship w/ ...

2009-05-05T11:45:00.000-05:00

The bible is clear that God hates relationship w/ same sex, we don't need a bible scholar to know that, besides a true christian is a new person in Christ "Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation, the old has gone, the new has come (2Cor 5:17)".

So homosexuality should not be an issue for a true christian since he should be real man when he received Christ

I agree with jimryanjackson that homosexual behavi...

2009-05-04T20:13:00.000-05:00

I agree with jimryanjackson that homosexual behavior/sin has been singled out for exclusive condemnation by churches. Why isn't the church putting the same emphasis on pre-marital sex or divorce, not to mention pornography and adultery or those "little" sins like greed and slander?

Yes, we are all sinners and need the grace of God. However, as followers of Christ we are commanded to

Matt Algren: Rather than my gut reaction that you ...

2009-05-02T04:09:00.000-05:00

Matt Algren: Rather than my gut reaction that you have no credibility like I said I would, I went to SoulForce.org and read. There is a lot of info there.

"Imagine the suffering that could be avoided if the church could say this to their lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender children: "We don't understand your views about sexual orientation, but we love and trust you. As long as you

Thank you for even addressing this important issue...

2009-05-01T22:06:00.000-05:00

Thank you for even addressing this important issue. As you say, many people just want to shut their eyes and hope it goes away, but gay Christians (including me) aren't going anywhere, so we've got to figure this thing out.

Here's a video of a sermon by a preacher who, I think, is about where you are. I'll be honest, he doesn't go as far as I'd like, but it's a good middle ground for

Well, Mr. Jimmy said it perfectly. I am not sure ...

2009-05-01T16:16:00.000-05:00

Well, Mr. Jimmy said it perfectly.
I am not sure on the whole marrying part because well, I have never really put much thought into it because I am not gay, is it PC to say gay?

I personally have no problem worshipping with anyone who is not the same sexual orientation as myself because ultimately we all love and worship the same God and we are all loved and forgived by the same

Thank you for addressing this issue. Not much has ...

2009-05-01T15:36:00.000-05:00

Thank you for addressing this issue. Not much has ever come from ignoring an issue. So maybe we need to have an open conversation about it.

The Bible, which I believe to be the divinely inspired word of God, makes it clear that homosexuality is a sin. To me, it is not even debatable if it is a sin or not. If you tell me it is not a sin, you lose credibility with me because you